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sers123
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I need to use two credible witnesses to ID a signer of a Sworn Statement for purpose of obtaining a certified copy of her daughter's birth certificate.
The form for requesting the certified copy contains the Sworn Statement and a Certificate of Acknowledgment. My understanding is that the "basis of satisfactory evidence" referred to in the acknowledgment are the two signatures in my notary journal and their respective oaths. There is nothing more for the witnesses to sign, right? Thank you

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Geber
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@sers123 wrote:

I need to use two credible witnesses to ID a signer of a Sworn Statement for purpose of obtaining a certified copy of her daughter's birth certificate.
The form for requesting the certified copy contains the Sworn Statement and a Certificate of Acknowledgment. My understanding is that the "basis of satisfactory evidence" referred to in the acknowledgment are the two signatures in my notary journal and their respective oaths. There is nothing more for the witnesses to sign, right? Thank you

Firsts off, when you decided to tack on to this thread, did you notice "(CA)" in the title? Please confirm you are a California notary, because the laws are different in each state. Second, the document sounds too complicated to understand from your brief description. I'd suggest posting a paraphrase with personal information deleted or changed.

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mharmon
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@sers123 wrote:

I need to use two credible witnesses to ID a signer ... There is nothing more for the witnesses to sign, right? Thank you

If you're in California, that's correct. The Credible witnesses sign your journal and that's it. Be sure that their journal entry makes note that they are serving as a CW for a specific person. They do not sign the document. Credible witnesses serve as a substitute for a paper ID. The document itself shouldn't reflect what kind of ID was used... at least if it's one of the ones I'm thinking you've got. If it is, its a common request used by just about every county in California and the notarization is needed when the person is mailing in the request rather than doing it in person. You fill out the notarial certificate just as you would normally.

Now, the key with credible witnesses is, after IDing them, in giving them the oath and making sure they are swearing to some specific things, under the penalty of perjury:

- That they personally know the individual
- They they know the person lacks proper ID and that they they know or believe it is difficult or impossible for that person to obtain proper ID
- That the person named or described in the document, and also signing it, is the same person they are identifying
- They are not named in the document being signed
- That they have no financial interest in the document being signed

I've had people try to use neighbors or friends as a credible witness who, after hearing the oath and reading the requires, refuse to help. The biggest reason is because is, while they know the person, they don't know them well enough to know if they lack ID or if they can cannot get another. One guy once said to me, "Seriously? It's not that difficult. We've been offering to take him to the DMV for the last year to get an ID card. I'll take him tomorrow morning." He outright refused to go under oath because of that.

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notaris91
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hmmm... interesting case.... I need to learn about this...

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juniorhoi
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Whats going public like the first time either sometime this year or next im going to go public for the first time im really nervous. would like to hear some of your stories about going public first time might settle my nerves down a bit, thanks love from katie

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